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Re: About Demon...

Postby tsukiyoarts » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:05 pm

CuteButLooksPregnant wrote:Tsukiyo, and others, who do not understand proper word usage in written English---

PROBLEMATIC WORDING---

"transgenders ", "a transgender"
Transgender should be used as an adjective, not as a noun. Do not say, "Tony is a transgender," or "The parade included many transgenders," [or " I did not get more irritable, as it happens with some transgenders."]

PREFERRED ENGLISH WORD USAGE---

"transgender people", "a transgender person"
For example, "Tony is a transgender man," or "The parade included many transgender people."

PROBLEMATIC WORDING---

"transgendered"
The adjective transgender should never have an extraneous "-ed" tacked onto the end. An "-ed" suffix adds unnecessary length to the word and can cause tense confusion and grammatical errors. It also brings transgender into alignment with lesbian, gay, bisexual, and queer [English word usage]. You would not say that Elton John is "gayed" or Ellen DeGeneres is "lesbianed," therefore you would not say Chaz Bono is "transgendered."

PREFERRED ENGLISH WORD USAGE---

"transgender"
[ " Jazz Jennings is a transgender teenager. Many of her admirers are transgender people. "]

Study this link for more information and examples---
https://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender


Good night,

Ah, that is what I was talking about. Your gently provided information will be very useful for my writing in the future, not only here, but at other places.

Also, thanks for taking your time in kindly editing your previous post too, so interpretation dumb people like me could better understand its intention. :)

Have a good day Ponytails,
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Re: About Demon...

Postby CeliaEriksson » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:30 pm

Hi CBLP!

I'm so glad that I really don't use the word often at all, even though it describes my present person. I don't think I am at all bothered if it's misused and cannot understand any shock-horror when it is, there are far, far more important issues to resolve, in my mind. The English language is a very fluid thing and English is my strongest subject, save History. Words change and the OE Dictionary is constantly upgraded. For example the verb and noun wank, noun wanker, or verb wanked. An Anglo-Saxon word that is thousands of years old. It got a new variation added recently, an adjective that is now acceptable English terminology.... 'Wankered' - to get drunk. So many pitfalls.... and I was schooled in England! Celia xx

PS.... I think Demon will be giggling at how a post about her has transmogrified!
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Re: About Demon...

Postby MikiSJ » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:03 pm

What I have encountered:

"Are you transgender?" "Yes, I am a transgender woman!"

"Are you transgendered?" "I am a transgender woman who is in transition", or "I am a woman in transition".

I am probably lucky in not having been confronted by mean spirited people who use 'transgender' in all of its iterations as a slur. I am also very forgiven of pronoun errors, questions that may appear offending, dead-naming, etc.

I know that when one of my familial sisters says 'he,....', or my other sister says 'you mean Michael,...' that they will immediately apologize and they also know that I won't walk out of the room.

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Re: About Demon...

Postby dreamin » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:08 pm

fwiw i wouldn't have originally pointed out her misuse of the word in the other thread if it was a one-time thing (i've seen her use it a couple of times). i eventually pointed it out 'cause it was distracting for me to see a tgirl use that word & its plural, particularly when they've been on 'mones for a couple months at this point and are a sister in that regard. my mention was brief and educational (i provided a link)

btw thanks for caring enough to want us to halt the fighting<3 ...it's since stopped. your pic was cute*^.^*
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Re: About Demon...

Postby CeliaEriksson » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:43 pm

dreamin wrote:
btw thanks for caring enough to want us to halt the fighting<3 ...it's since stopped. your pic was cute*^.^*


Tis ok, I understand. The bunny pic is rather cute! Celia xx
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Re: About Demon...

Postby Kidagakash » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:50 am

I do not personally know her that well, but I actually like her. I see something in her that I see jn myself, too. I also do not always understand her intentions on everything she says, but I know shes not a troll, she's just different. We're all different, in our own ways. I would not reply to her posts though if I did not want to talk to her, and I don't usually bother to talk to people whom I do not care for. There are plenty of other people to fill that role, already. I haven't been around much lately because I just moved and dont have internet yet, so I haven't read her post you mentioned but I am intruiged and shall do so. Anyhow my only other thought is that I do not think she would be here if she didnt get something useful out of it, and yes some of her posts look like she is baiting people to argue against her, but at the same time I feel like she wants our company, or support, or just so e attention or vent, idk, its not my job to analyze people, but I do try to lend my ear to anyo e who I feel is worth my time and she Is. ^-^
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Re: About tsukiyo...

Postby CuteButLooksPregnant » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:46 am

dreamin wrote: I wouldn't have originally pointed out her misuse of the word in the other thread if it was a one-time thing (I've seen her use it a couple of times). I eventually pointed it out 'cause it was distracting for me to see a t-girl use that word & its plural . . . . ( italics mine )


I found it distracting, too. She seems to use those offensive and demeaning words with some regularity, that is what upset me, leading to my barbed comment earlier. That is also why I published the link to GLAAD, so as to attempt to educate her, instead of satirizing her.

Kidagakash wrote: I also do not always understand her intentions on everything she says, but I know she's not a troll, she's just different. We're all different, in our own ways. I would not reply to her posts though if I did not want to talk to her, and I don't usually bother to talk to people whom I do not care for.
. . . . yes, some of her posts look like she is baiting people to argue against her, but at the same time I feel like she wants our company, or support, or just so [much] attention or [to] vent, idk, it's not my job to analyze people . . . .
-Kida ( italics mine )


She really 'ticked off' dreamin. But since she is in Brazil, and English is probably her second language, as well as she is probably unfamiliar with English and American pop-culture, slang, and spoof, I am finding that I have to 'cut her some slack' with regard to the marginal English writing skills she displays, and not take immediate offense at the sometimes distressing way she 'talks down' to people here, using odd or unusual words and phrases. Given time, she may be able to 'pick up' on how the peeps here wish to be treated, and how to properly talk, via written English, to them without giving offense or misunderstanding. The real trick is how to tell her about her odditys, without triggering a tsunami of text and written repercussions by herself ( she likes to do massive walls of text and art, notice how she quotes everything twice, using up bookoo bandwidth ), or causing a lot of hard feelings. But I will try, I hope others do, too.

( BTW---I, too, am somewhat distressed that Demon's thread has drifted, but some of the off subjects really needed to be addressed anyway. )
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Re: About Demon...

Postby Demon » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:50 am

I get what you are saying, but I don't get why people get offended about it.

I am a transgender, I dont get what is wrong with that. But if you don't want to be called a transgender I guess I will not say it.

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Re: About Demon...

Postby CeliaEriksson » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:21 am

Hi Demon! Where you been? It's been quiet round here lately!
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Re: About Demon...

Postby Demon » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:07 pm

CeliaEriksson wrote:Hi Demon! Where you been? It's been quiet round here lately!
Celia xx


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Re: About Demon...

Postby Amy Farrah Fowler » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:46 am

CuteButLooksPregnant wrote:Tsukiyo, and others, who do not understand proper word usage in written English---

PROBLEMATIC WORDING---

"transgenders ", "a transgender"
Transgender should be used as an adjective, not as a noun. Do not say, "Tony is a transgender," or "The parade included many transgenders," [or " I did not get more irritable, as it happens with some transgenders."]

PREFERRED ENGLISH WORD USAGE---

"transgender people", "a transgender person"
For example, "Tony is a transgender man," or "The parade included many transgender people."

PROBLEMATIC WORDING---

"transgendered"
The adjective transgender should never have an extraneous "-ed" tacked onto the end. An "-ed" suffix adds unnecessary length to the word and can cause tense confusion and grammatical errors. It also brings transgender into alignment with lesbian, gay, bisexual, and queer [English word usage]. You would not say that Elton John is "gayed" or Ellen DeGeneres is "lesbianed," therefore you would not say Chaz Bono is "transgendered."

PREFERRED ENGLISH WORD USAGE---

"transgender"
[ " Jazz Jennings is a transgender teenager. Many of her admirers are transgender people. "]

Study this link for more information and examples---
https://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender


PROBLEMATIC WORDING---

"homosexuals," "a lesbian"
If, for consistency, gay, lesbian, or homosexual should be used as adjectives, not as nouns, then you should not say, "Tony is a homosexual," or "The parade included many gays," [or " I did not get more irritable, as it happens with some lesbians."]

HOWEVER---

If one were to use "transgenders," "a transgender" (as nouns) that usage would bring transgender into alignment with lesbian, homosexual, bisexual, queer, and heterosexual [English word usage]. You could usually say that President Obama is "a heterosexual" just as correctly as "a heterosexual man." Although not the preferred terminology, you could correctly say Elton John is "a homosexual." Likewise, Ellen DeGeneres is "a lesbian," therefore you could say Chaz Bono is "a transgender."

BUT---

"Gay" is an exception, treated differently than lesbian, homosexual, bisexual, queer, and heterosexual. As a plural, "gays" is as commonly accepted as "gay men" or "gay men and women." Thus the equivalent would be "transgenders." But the singular seems excepted rather than accepted. It sounds odd or awkward to refer to someone as "a gay." So perhaps by comparison, "transgender," like "gay," should be used as an adjective and as a plural (but not singular) noun.

AND YET---

According to the dictionary, someone may be misgendered, ungendered, degendered, or regendered.

Assigning, perceiving, attributing, or expressing gender, or addressing with terms of gender, all constitute acts of gendering.

"To gender" is a verb.

The simple past & past participle of "to gender" is "gendered."

Therefore, grammatically, according to proper English usage, someone who has been subjected to the actions in my first dictionary example, respectively, may be called misgendered, ungendered, degendered, or regendered.

Someone who has been assigned or perceived or addressed as having a particular gender has been gendered by the one doing the gendering, therefore, the one acted upon is a gendered person. In expressing a gender, one genders oneself, and thus is a gendered person. If the gender externally assigned or perceived and the gender internally perceived and externally expressed agree, that person is cisgendered; if they disagree, that person is transgendered.

BECAUSE---

If someone can be misgendered, ungendered, degendered, regendered, or gendered--and according to the dictionary, as those verbs exist in proper English usage, one can be--then why can't one be cisgendered or transgendered? Yet one may regard "Jim is a transgender" as problematic as "John is a gay," while accepting equally that "Tim, Phil, and John are gays" and "Bill, Jim, Lisa, and Dani are transgenders."

NEVERTHELESS---

Someone may choose to be offended by "transgendered" simply because the trans community decided the "-ed" ending is unacceptable, with no grammatical support, simply for PC purposes.

Someone may choose to be annoyed by "transgendered" giving offense when it is perfectly acceptable English and nothing about the word is inherently problematic or offensive.

Someone may choose to regard "a transgender" as unacceptable as consensus seems to regard "a gay."

Someone may choose to regard "transgenders" as acceptable since "gays & lesbians" is.

Someone may choose to be offended by "transgenders" despite seeing no issue with "gays, bisexuals & lesbians."

And those with the most power or the loudest voices will police the language used that they choose to be offended by, even if the one using it is within their own community, means no offense, and is simply trying to use good English. For example, I stopped using grammatically proper & correct English here on the boards shortly after my arrival because the needlessly offended quickly bore me a second butthole.
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Re: About Demon...

Postby dreamin » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:39 pm

Demon wrote:I get what you are saying, but I don't get why people get offended about it.

I am a transgender, I dont get what is wrong with that. But if you don't want to be called a transgender I guess I will not say it.

i was originally talking about another user who seems to've since moved on (tsukiyo). you're a transgender person, where the only noun in my emphasized text is person

but since there's also the corresponding phenomenon of how folks identify themselves, you still may best identify as a transgender if that's honestly how you identify

i'm all for us taking back our nomenclature and descriptors, but only whenever we feel we honestly need or want it back. for example, i'm trying to take back 'transgenderism' from the pseudo-intellectual righties
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