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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:37 pm

kris wrote:Do you ever read your own posts?



No. I just type them. The mind is quicker than the ability to spell and type.



The researchers found that nearly 20% of adolescents said they had been diagnosed with at least one concussion and 5.5% said they had been diagnosed with more than one.
Those most likely to have a concussion were males in older grades who said they took part in competitive sports.
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Re: Health costs

Postby kris » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:37 pm

It just surprises me how often Lisa seems to disagree with Lisa. But maybe my mind just can't keep up when I keep slowing myself down with spelling and typing (wtf?)
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:18 pm

kris wrote:It just surprises me how often Lisa seems to disagree with Lisa. But maybe my mind just can't keep up when I keep slowing myself down with spelling and typing (wtf?)


Maybe you have not noticed is I have no side to take. If you let socialism make your decisions you give up your rights that you have a government to protect in the first place. Our economy depends on individuals making decisions. If the government spends your money you have no incentive to grow and challenge the world. It is a down hill spiral. Now if you let government control your health costs and needs it is a big hole you make that you have no control over being chipped for example. The government will decide to control population and or genetic makeup of the children. They have used the medical system in the past to serialize women they thought should not have babies. They let people die of Syphilis because they needed a control group. They put people with Leprosy in a prison camp.

When you give up rights you just might be giving up sex. It is just a matter of time. 1984 tracked people and had pictures of them anyplace they went including their home. It seems today people do not mind having electronic leashes.

I am not debating I am posting information. It seems that most here want to take sides rather than questioning their own bias. To discriminate is a good thing because without it there are no values. I do not mean the popular use of the word that automatically pushes race. We are individuals not races.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:53 am

A U.S. adult who is "healthy" but obese could eventually cost society tens of thousands of dollars in medical care and lost wages, a new study estimates.


Every penny you pay for insurance goes to poor behavior of others.
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Re: Health costs

Postby Natasha_Lynn » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:48 pm

lisagurl wrote:I am not debating I am posting information.


You're not debating; you're making an ass of yourself.

You're not posting information; you're spamming context-free idiocy and amazon links to books that I wouldn't even bother ripping out pages from and wiping my ass with because they are that devoid of value.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:17 pm

Most of the studies looking at meditation and heart disease have involved a small number of people and don’t always have a control group of those who don’t meditate. But they suggest that meditation may help to lower some of the risk factors for heart disease, such as reducing stress and blood pressure. Addressing stress can reduce levels of stress hormones in the body, which have been linked to a higher risk of heart attacks, and keeping blood pressure low can also dampen the risk of heart trouble.


Transition is stressful and people need to pay attention to a relaxed mind.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:37 am

President Trump, desperate for a health-care win that Congress couldn’t hand him, is pursuing a backdoor way of letting more Americans buy insurance plans free of the Obamacare regulations that Republicans have blamed for big premium hikes and costly deductibles.



Insurance is to protect an individual from a devastating loss. It is designed for unusual events. Most people pay for insurance they never use. But now with forced health care insurance it changes the playing field. It is no longer insurance for an unusual event but rather a socialistic way of living. People are forced to insure themselves for things they do not want or need. Situations they will never encounter to provide for those that have continuous costs to maintain their standard of living.

For people that self insure their homes and do not carry things like life insurance because they can pay for those problems. It had to start with saving for that rainy day. Actuary tables are used to determine the risk of an individual needing to collect on insurance and define the rate they pay. But in the unfair health insurance they charge low risk people the same as high risk to reduce the cost to the high risk people. This is nothing but redistributing wealth and not insurance at all. Socialism does not work.
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Re: Health costs

Postby VirginiaHall » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:14 am

Actually socialism does work and it works well.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:04 am

Tell that to Cuba, Russia, China,Venezuela, and many other countries that have tried it.

"Socialist Entrepreneurs Embourgeoisement in Rural Hungary" by Ivan Szelenyi

The problem is people work mush harder when they benefit themselves than they do to benefit their countrymen.
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Re: Health costs

Postby VirginiaHall » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:40 am

China, a Communist country, is doing very well. The Scandinavian countries are doing well.

The problem in the States is that the wealthy get big tax breaks that they don't need and the middle class is being crushed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXoxxdWLc80

Most of you aren't old enough to remember how America once was when we had a middle class and real jobs before Rapmaster Ronnie convinced everyone that government was the problem, turn Marx on his head. In the clip above from Company Men, two "fired' executives buy up an almost shipyard (in real life it's the Fore River Shipbuilding Company in Quincy, Massachusetts).

My two cents is we are not going to get back to a great America by taxing the middle class to give breaks to the rich (talk about welfare and redistribution!) but rather by having equitable taxes to stimulate demand. Corporate power needs to be curbed. You know corporation are not mentioned in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. They were allowed to fulfill two purposes, #1. To be taxed to and #2. To employ people. Americans! That has been twisted beyond recognition. Get the rich and corporations to start paying their fair share and I think folks will be amazed at how much there is to go around. It did before when Eisenhower was the President and he was one hell of a socialist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY The danger of the military-industrial-complex.

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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:59 pm

The U.S. is 20 trillion in debt. That debt is the cause of inflation. The middle class has spent their way into debt. No one in the 1950's would borrow more than they could pay for a house that could not be paid off in 5 years. Many did not have cars or TV. They shared telephone lines. Houses were cold in the winter and hot in the summer. That was the hard working middle class. Today few people cook family meals as they are driving from one activity to another. Few people save and invest today because they are trained consumers. They have bought into the idea that things are temporary so you just keep buying new ones.

People did not have children they could not afford or have the time to raise with virtue. Many businesses were small and owned by local people. It is the lack of enforcement on monopolies that handed the power to corporations and the lobby money that buys laws. Taxes are spent foolishly as they add to the profits of the military industries. Look at the VA medical system run by government. People die on waiting lines.

In the world of globalism now corporations go to the countries with the least tax. So do the billionaires.
If the U.S. had an education system that educated rather than provide job training perhaps the students would invest instead of spend. The problem is the economy depends on growth in a finite world. To pay debt you need growth. That is not possible with limited resources. The lack of clean water, clean air, and clean energy prevents growth and paying back the debt.

Socialism does not provide more resources or growth. In fact the promises of retirement and medical care increase debt and reduce the incentive to work.
If all the world resources were given even to every family each would have $8000 a year to live on. Today we have 4 billion people living on less than $4 a day. Have you given your high end income to them, as socialism would?
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Re: Health costs

Postby VirginiaHall » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:06 pm

I say fine. Let the corporations go overseas for those better taxes. Let's have US corporations employ our people instead of exporting jobs to those $4/day places.

China has had stupendous growth.

Anyway, we are not going to settle this here. Your man is in the White House and Bernie did not get the nomination. I get it.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:27 pm

According to the Aspen Institute, more than 50 million Americans live in or near financial crisis, and a growing number lack savings cushions to weather emergencies. Far too many of these households lack access to basic, affordable financial services, and they spend too much of their limited earnings on fees and interest. According to the Center for Financial Services Innovation, those expenditures amount to more than $145 billion annually.


That is from the Federal Reserve.

I did not vote for the figure head in the White House they have no power over the enforcement of the laws.

The growth in China is at the expense of the health of the rest of the world and the theft of property rights. They still pay low wages and no benefits, safety codes or care for the environment. But the U.S. consumer rather buy from people that disregard the worker in favor of lower prices which hides inflation. If China had the same rules as the west they would not have growth they would be facing a population problem. India is not much better. Bernie and his wife have their own financial law problems. It is not the leaders that made the problem but rather the lack of resources to enforce the laws that the voters wanted.

90% of crime goes unpunished. The Government can not afford to give free room and board to everyone that breaks the laws. The tax payer does not have the resources. The Rich do not have the resources. Most of what the rich have is paper telling them that they are owed products and services. That paper is not backed up with gold or real property but rather just a promise from the government that the dollar is good.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:12 pm

The study said the total expenditure for U.S. health care on obesity-related illness between today and 2025 would be $4.2 trillion.


You monthly insurance premiums have to pay this.
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Re: Health costs

Postby PentacleGoddess » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:54 pm

lisagurl wrote:Tell that to Cuba, Russia, China,Venezuela, and many other countries that have tried it.

"Socialist Entrepreneurs Embourgeoisement in Rural Hungary" by Ivan Szelenyi

The problem is people work mush harder when they benefit themselves than they do to benefit their countrymen.


Except they haven't actually 'tried it'. They hid their authoritarian greed and classism behind the guise of it.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:00 pm

Do you think most humans with the power over other's needs is not going to put themselves first? Every socialistic program has corporate winners and the public paying for it.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:15 pm

The decision to impose a 12.4% surcharge on silver-level health plans in 2018 means the total premium increase for those policies will average nearly 25%, according to Covered California.

Taxpayers, not consumers, will bear the brunt of the extra rate hike because federal premium assistance for policyholders, which is pegged to the cost of coverage, will also increase.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:51 pm

The VA determined one podiatrist at its hospital in Maine harmed 88 veterans, including a woman who after two failed ankle surgeries chose to have her leg amputated rather than endure the pain. Still, the agency didn’t report the foot doctor to the database under its previous policy, and took two years to report him to state licensing boards.
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Re: Health costs

Postby PentacleGoddess » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:57 pm

lisagurl wrote:The idea is to contribute to humanity using your abilities. Sex is hardly a virtue or helping humanity progress. If human are equal it is just a matter of learning skills that are needed and pay enough to get the resources you need and a few you desire. It seems so many people do not learn about values and those that contribute to the good. It is part genetic makeup and part environment.

If Canada has such a good system why are people resorting to sex to survive? It seems to me that it is not an equal society but one of some being dominant over others. Yes people in Canada bribe the medical community to not wait on lines. Some go to other countries with cash to make happen what they want. You can tell when traveling in Canada and you get to Alaska that the road becomes paved.


Are... are you seriously implying that Canada is largely dirt roads? lololol
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:46 pm

No I am implying that as you go far north much of Canada does not have roads.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_in_Canada#/media/File:Roads-Canada-frame2.png
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Re: Health costs

Postby PentacleGoddess » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:44 am

Oh good lord. lisa, you've said some profoundly ignorant things in your time here, but this is so far out there I honestly can't tell if it's on purpose or not.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:19 am

Have you been there? Sometimes frozen rivers are used to truck goods. As a past resident of Alaska about the time the pipeline was built I have experienced the area. I wish oil was never discovered.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:28 am

The United States will not be escaping the obesity epidemic crisis anytime soon: Nearly 40% of adults and 19% of youth are obese,


Increasing health care costs are preventable but it takes self control. Something not taught by government who wants you to spend money.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:18 am

Doctors were able to eliminate alcohol or drugs as the cause of the hemorrhage, and later confirmed it was Austin's excessive consumption of energy drinks that led to his condition.


The present high costs of health insurance penalizes people that take care of their health as it has to pay for people that abuse their health. At the very least people should pay for the risks they take.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:50 pm

Mike Kim’s pharmacy, Grubb’s, is located just a few blocks from Capitol Hill and serves members of Congress who he says have some pretty serious health problems. The pharmacy comes with many perks and Kim didn’t disclose too much nor did he break privacy laws but he sounds genuinely concerned about the health of lawmakers in Washington.“At first it’s cool, and then you realize, I’m filling some drugs that are for some pretty serious health problems as well. And these are the people that are running the country,” Kim said, listing treatments for conditions like diabetes and Alzheimer’s.

“It makes you kind of sit back and say, ‘Wow, they’re making the highest laws of the land and they might not even remember what happened yesterday.'”


The congressmen only pay $600 a year for this service.
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Re: Health costs

Postby Karen_A » Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:22 pm

Hi Lisa,

Its been over 7 years since I last saw your posts... Looks like you and your politics have not changed a bit! :wink:

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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:17 pm

Yes, I am too old to change. But white hair have more fun than blonds. You can be eccentric.
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Re: Health costs

Postby PentacleGoddess » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:36 am

lisagurl wrote:Have you been there? Sometimes frozen rivers are used to truck goods. As a past resident of Alaska about the time the pipeline was built I have experienced the area. I wish oil was never discovered.


Um, there was a reality show on for several years about truckers doing exactly that, often IN Alaska.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:14 am

A nurse’s aide at a top VA hospital played video games instead of checking on a patient hourly one night last year — and that patient died.The Vietnam veteran’s family found a place for him at Bedford (Massachusetts) VA Medical Center, the Globe said, adding that the Veterans Administration ranked it as one of its best hospitals — a five-star rating.The aide, Patricia Waible, later admitted she was playing video games and didn’t check on Nutter at all — but the confession happened only after an investigator told her video cameras showed she never left her computer the entire shift.


Do we deserve government health care?
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:47 am

'I spent my savings rather than wait for the NHS'Hospital services are facing mounting pressure. Staff shortages, rising demand and a squeeze on budgets mean waiting times are rising in many places.
And while the health service still sees most patients quickly - whether they turn up at an accident and emergency unit, need cancer treatment or have to have an operation - growing numbers are having to wait longer than they should.
So what is it like for those caught up in the system?


"Would I still be on a waiting list if I had not gone privately? I may well have been."


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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:19 am

The makers of cancer drugs also make vials with too much medication for many patients. The excess drugs are tossed in the trash — another reason health care costs are so high.


When the patient is not paying directly the charges get out of hand. The government or insurance companies could not care less. They just raise your costs.
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Re: Health costs

Postby PentacleGoddess » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:21 pm

lisagurl wrote:
A nurse’s aide at a top VA hospital played video games instead of checking on a patient hourly one night last year — and that patient died.The Vietnam veteran’s family found a place for him at Bedford (Massachusetts) VA Medical Center, the Globe said, adding that the Veterans Administration ranked it as one of its best hospitals — a five-star rating.The aide, Patricia Waible, later admitted she was playing video games and didn’t check on Nutter at all — but the confession happened only after an investigator told her video cameras showed she never left her computer the entire shift.


Do we deserve government health care?


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Re: Health costs

Postby PentacleGoddess » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:24 pm

lisagurl wrote:
kris wrote:Do you ever read your own posts?



No. I just type them. The mind is quicker than the ability to spell and type.


I had to readdress this because it is yet another post from you that explains SOOOO much.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:12 pm

According to a report published Tuesday in The Telegraph (U.K.), “The NHS [United Kingdom’s National Health Service] will ban patients from surgery indefinitely unless they lose weight or quit smoking,” a policy change Royal College of Surgeons Senior Vice President Ian Eardley said could be just the “tip of the iceberg.”

The Telegraph reports in some parts of the country, those who refuse to give up smoking “could wait indefinitely” for access to surgical care, and “those with a Body Mass Index of 30 or more will be set targets to reduce their weight by 10 percent over nine months, with those with a BMI over 40 will be told to cut their weight by 15 percent.”

Once a patient is identified by the government as being, quite literally, too fat to be worthy of medical attention, a “clinical panel” will be summoned to determine whether an exception should be made for an overweight or still-smoking patient.


As expected when government controls the money they control your right to service.
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Re: Health costs

Postby CeliaEriksson » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:55 pm

lisagurl wrote:
According to a report published Tuesday in The Telegraph (U.K.), “The NHS [United Kingdom’s National Health Service] will ban patients from surgery indefinitely unless they lose weight or quit smoking,” a policy change Royal College of Surgeons Senior Vice President Ian Eardley said could be just the “tip of the iceberg.”

The Telegraph reports in some parts of the country, those who refuse to give up smoking “could wait indefinitely” for access to surgical care, and “those with a Body Mass Index of 30 or more will be set targets to reduce their weight by 10 percent over nine months, with those with a BMI over 40 will be told to cut their weight by 15 percent.”

Once a patient is identified by the government as being, quite literally, too fat to be worthy of medical attention, a “clinical panel” will be summoned to determine whether an exception should be made for an overweight or still-smoking patient.


As expected when government controls the money they control your right to service.


Trust me, in practise this does not and never will happen. I should know, I have worked in NHS hospitals for thirty-five years and I am confident that any front line NHS worker worth their salt in those trusts will not adhere to this and simply check the non-smoking box or ignore the weight issue unless either is actually detrimental to the treatment. There are smoking fascists and people that dislike larger folk among our ranks, but those that would deny treatment are few.

I would be more worried about the very few that don't seem to care about any patient, period. I've met one or two.

My advice to anyone that actually was stalled through weight or habit, or meets those rare uncaring NHS workers, is to go back to or change their GP and/or ask to get referred to another hospital in that unlikely event. Stop believing everything you read. Put down those books!!!
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:39 am

Take off the rose color glasses. When i was in Thailand I met a few from the UK that were on long waiting lists and left to get things done themselves.
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Re: Health costs

Postby CeliaEriksson » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:46 am

lisagurl wrote:Take off the rose color glasses. When i was in Thailand I met a few from the UK that were on long waiting lists and left to get things done themselves.


I don't recall mentioning waiting lists. What a strange way to debate a subject started by yourself, completely change it.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:43 pm

The subject is health costs. Waiting is part of the cost of government controlled health care. People die while waiting.
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Re: Health costs

Postby CeliaEriksson » Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:50 am

I never said it was off subject. I said I never mentioned waiting lists, which for some reason you mentioned as though I had.

Do you honestly believe people believe you are intelligent, making such childish errors and smudging over your errors with bullshit?
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:43 am

Is English your first language? I suspect it is a communication problem.

The healthcare industry does not have to be controlled or administrated by government. It does not have to intrude on people's lives. It is each individual's responsibility to care for their own health or suffer the consequences. Most of the health problems individuals experience are of their own poor habits and actions.

You do not fix individual behavior with with forcing those that practice good health habits to pay for those than do not care.

At best to save lives and prevent bankruptcy or let people go bankrupt and save the industry you have very high deductibles. Insuring people for normal expenses is a socialism that does not work. It brings out the worse behavior and attitudes as it destroys the incentive to do good.
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Re: Health costs

Postby Natasha_Lynn » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:59 am

lisagurl wrote:Insuring people for normal expenses is a socialism that does not work.


Oh no, not socialism! Anything but that!!
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:28 am

Smoking and oral sex may be a deadly combo that raises a man's risk for head and neck cancer, a new study suggests.


Insuring poor health behavior is highway robbery.
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Re: Health costs

Postby PentacleGoddess » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:28 pm

lisagurl wrote:
Smoking and oral sex may be a deadly combo that raises a man's risk for head and neck cancer, a new study suggests.


Insuring poor health behavior is highway robbery.


Correlation does not equal causation, this might as well say "Smoking and walking raises risk for leg cancer"

Also, wtf is "head and neck cancer"? There's thyroid cancer, esophageal cancer, brain cancer etc., but 'head and neck' cancer is utterly meaningless.

Would be real curious to see where you're getting this garbage study.
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Re: Health costs

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Re: Health costs

Postby Natasha_Lynn » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:59 am

lisagurl wrote:https://www.webmd.com/men/news/20171020/oral-sex-plus-smoking-a-cancer-danger-for-men#1


So because cunnilingus exists we need to scrap insurance?
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:37 pm

My point is health is largely a product of self control. It is not good business or incentive to improve humanity's health by make people that practice good habits to pay for those that practice bad health habits.
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Re: Health costs

Postby lisagurl » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:50 pm

WASHINGTON — Many of the worst VA hospitals in the country last year remain among the worst this year, according to internal rankings released Wednesday by the Department of Veterans Affairs.


When government is the provider it is hard to fire the staff and conditions do not improve.
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